The ULTIMATE Workout Thread

[KurtP1]

Organic is overrated

Then eat whatever you want, brah.

 

[danielj1]

I would never purchase organic dairy - its absolutely disgusting if you knew the repercussions. If people want dairy but don't want the additives, get rBST free dairy.

 

[Lou Maiuri]

I would never purchase organic dairy - its absolutely disgusting if you knew the repercussions. If people want dairy but don't want the additives, get rBST free dairy.

believe me, if I could live on BCAA and glutamine powder I would. Surprisingly enough, eating healthy is relatively inexpensive contrary to popular belief. Granted you'll be eating like a hunter gatherer, but i find my body works best when fueled that way. A good tip I heard was to stay on the outer rim of a grocery store where all the essentials are located.

 

[Lou Maiuri]

Any of you guys prefer training before a work day as opposed to after? My current routine calls for me to be up at 3:45 and I have noticed taking pre workout at this hour severely inhibits it's effects.

 

[KurtP1]

Any of you guys prefer training before a work day as opposed to after? My current routine calls for me to be up at 3:45 and I have noticed taking pre workout at this hour severely inhibits it's effects.

I do both, and 2-3x a week i do a third right before bed, so there is a work out every 8hr interval of the day. I generally use the pre-workout during the mid-day workout (which is the hardest/most intense) to match the body's timing cycle.

It has to do with your REM cycle/circadian rhythm. If you are getting up then rolling right into a prework out supp/work out your body isn't ready for the "jump start" that preworkout supp is going to give - especially if its caffeinated.

In a nutshell, your body isn't fully "woken up", and no amount of supplement added can accelerate you along your circadian rhythm....you can be "more awake" at that time, but not "further along" the rhythm, if you think about it as a sin wave.

You can re-arrange your circadian rhythm somewhat by changing your sleep patterns, so things like zinc and melatonin can help. Going to bed earlier and getting the 8-10hrs sleep before your 3:45 wake up will help also, but you obviously have to get your cycle shifted to the left far enough that you are "tired" at 7-8 at night. Do some research on the body's sleep cycle, circadian rhythm, and hormone production cycle and you will start to see the patterns of when you are "most awake", and you can start to shift/adjust accordingly...either your sleep or your supplementation/workout schedule.

 

[Lou Maiuri]

I do both, and 2-3x a week i do a third right before bed, so there is a work out every 8hr interval of the day. I generally use the pre-workout during the mid-day workout (which is the hardest/most intense) to match the body's timing cycle.

It has to do with your REM cycle/circadian rhythm. If you are getting up then rolling right into a prework out supp/work out your body isn't ready for the "jump start" that preworkout supp is going to give - especially if its caffeinated.

In a nutshell, your body isn't fully "woken up", and no amount of supplement added can accelerate you along your circadian rhythm....you can be "more awake" at that time, but not "further along" the rhythm, if you think about it as a sin wave.

You can re-arrange your circadian rhythm somewhat by changing your sleep patterns, so things like zinc and melatonin can help. Going to bed earlier and getting the 8-10hrs sleep before your 3:45 wake up will help also, but you obviously have to get your cycle shifted to the left far enough that you are "tired" at 7-8 at night. Do some research on the body's sleep cycle, circadian rhythm, and hormone production cycle and you will start to see the patterns of when you are "most awake", and you can start to shift/adjust accordingly...either your sleep or your supplementation/workout schedule.

4 AM heavy deadlift sessions assure an 8:30 PM baby seep mode; interestingly enough, ZMA gives me horrible insomnia whereas Melatonin puts me right to bed. I feel that 7-8 hrs is my sweet spot and I can function and be effective at work and lifting with that combination. Might re-up on my clen to get me stimmed out when I lift early. I usually spend 1.5 hours training but I now have to cut back to 1 hr and 10 minutes on the weekdays but this allows me to go hard on the weekends after recharging friday and deters me from partying on Fridays. I've also noticed a restriction of peripheral calories since getting on the grind which is working wonders for my abs. I usually sit around 7% but I strongly feel I will be able to get around 5% out of my body with this change; I love it especially since I do very little to zero cardio. Clen is a hell of a drug

 

[KurtP1]

4 AM heavy deadlift sessions assure an 8:30 PM baby seep mode; interestingly enough, ZMA gives me horrible insomnia whereas Melatonin puts me right to bed. I feel that 7-8 hrs is my sweet spot and I can function and be effective at work and lifting with that combination. Might re-up on my clen to get me stimmed out when I lift early. I usually spend 1.5 hours training but I now have to cut back to 1 hr and 10 minutes on the weekdays but this allows me to go hard on the weekends after recharging friday and deters me from partying on Fridays. I've also noticed a restriction of peripheral calories since getting on the grind which is working wonders for my abs. I usually sit around 7% but I strongly feel I will be able to get around 5% out of my body with this change; I love it especially since I do very little to zero cardio. Clen is a hell of a drug

That it is....

Melatonin induces a deep sleep cycle but will also allow you to shift your circadian rhythm if you need to. Black your room out (i mean down to putting electrical tape over your alarm clock) and buy a light-based alarm timer that will dim your lights up as you reach awake time. It will help adjust your cycle if you need/want to...but if you are in bed and snoozin by 830, sounds like you are managing just fine.

 

[Gunkata]

I love melatonin.

 

[livefast]

I wanna try some melatonin... Is it totally safe?

 

[Lou Maiuri]

Yeah its an over the counter sleep aid. It more or less is a non habit forming supplement that puts you into auto-pilot and helps you wind down even more when you are sleepy. The only possible side effect is nightmares but usually I just get really vivid dreams.

 

[Gunkata]

i had more dreams i think with tylenol pm and ive heard of worse with Ambien, etc. I don't really have too much weirdness with Melatonin at all.

 

[KurtP1]

Yeah its an over the counter sleep aid. It more or less is a non habit forming supplement that puts you into auto-pilot and helps you wind down even more when you are sleepy. The only possible side effect is nightmares but usually I just get really vivid dreams.

kava kava root is good too. You get more vivid dreams because you are WAY deeper into your REM cycle. Your demons will come out, thats for sure.

for above- its totally safe, dont go over 3mg at a time, start with 1.5ish and work up from there.

Just remember it makes you more light sensitive, so time it with your light cycles/sleep cycles.

 

[Rockchops]

I wanna try some melatonin... Is it totally safe?

Yeah pretty much. I've been using it for the last year or two. I typically take a week off every month or two just so I don't get too dependent and totally kill off the hormone production (not sure if that is conjecture or not but it can't hurt). It is the ONLY thing that knocks me out (aside from Klonopin), I've been to sleep specialists and through all sorts of pills too.

 

[Chris@Revo USA]

Do you have any links to studies that prove this?

Who paid for the study will get you results from both sides that will still give you no clear answer.

 

[D Griff]

Interesting info on the dairy stuff, I'm intrigued now, I'll probably have to do some more research. That Harvard article was pretty inconclusive, but on the other hand I view Harvard/academic sources as more legit than magazines.